Wahlberg broke 100.
Amateur Shoots 119 At Pebble Beach
By Kickntrue on 6/10/10
They should have picked our boy. They held the round yesterday for the GolfDigest Challenge and winner Peggy Ference get's a big fat FAIL!
Actor Mark Wahlberg broke 100 in the U.S. Open Challenge from the championship tees at Pebble Beach Golf Links on a windy Wednesday afternoon.

Hockey great Wayne Gretzky shot 99, his hockey number, but wound up signing for 100, making that his official score. Wahlberg made par on the famed 18th hole to shoot 97, while Super Bowl-winning QB Drew Brees of the New Orleans Saints shot 102.

Sweepstakes winner Peggy Ference finished with a 48-over 119. She was the first woman to compete in the event since it began three years ago, when Tiger Woods said during the 2007 U.S. Open at Oakmont Country Club that a 10-handicap couldn’t break 100 on such a tough setup.

No sweepstakes winner has succeeded in breaking 100 on the identical setup that will be used for the U.S. Open. Ference is hardly a mediocre golfer, either, playing to a 4.6 handicap index at Cherry Valley Country Club in Skillman, N.J.
There's actually some pretty good stuff here, but I'm going to ignore the whole Gretzky thing of signing the wrong scorecard... and move on to Miss Peggy. I would not have bet on her to break 100 but I'm a bit shocked at a 119. When I found out she was a 4.6 I thought she may have a chance if she could drive the ball straight. Just goes to show you how much difference distance makes in the female game.

I don't know any details of her round- but Kevin and I started talking about a pretty interesting rules scenario and I'm wondering what the official ruling is. I know these guys had rules officials and had to follow everything to a T so I don't know if this happened, but there must be a ruling for it... What happens if you just can't physically hit a shot over a carry or hazard, making it impossible to correctly finish a hole? For instance- I have a 225 yard carry over a waste bunker/hazard/water with OB or Pacific Ocean on the left and right. What if I just can't truly hit that shot- no matter how many times I try it? I know in "real life" most of us would try twice- go to the other side- and keep playing, but if you're following all of the rules of golf I don't think "drop on the other side" is the correct play.

Any guesses (or if you're crazy, feel free to research it)?

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mjaber says:
I read a write-up on Yahoo, and it sounds like she simply didn't have the length to reach the fairway on a number of holes. It was stated in the article that she only had about a 200 yard carry with her driver.

With the lack of length off the tee, I'm kinda surprised the score wasn't higher.
6/10/10
 
Swingem says:
Knowing what the course setup wuld be, and that she probably wouldn't be able to get to the fairway on some of the holes. I'm surprized that she was chosen. Nothing against women, just reality. Hope she enjoyed it though, what a great opportunity.
6/10/10
 
atxtraveler says:
I thought the ruling would be that based on her handicap, she receives a double par and moves on.
6/10/10
 
Backquak says:
I figured she would get to play the forward tees, which would make the contest complete BS, so there was no way she could get under 100 from the back
6/10/10
 
bplewis24 says:
What tees did she play from and what tees did her predecessors generally play from in this challenge?

Brandon
6/10/10
 
mjaber says:
@bplewis... They play from the US Open tees.
6/10/10
 
dtak84 says:
Everyone plays from the tips, as did she.
6/10/10
 
bplewis24 says:
Wow, that is surprising. I actually predicted a couple months ago that they would choose her and not because she was the most deserving, but because of the storyline of her being the first woman. If she couldn't carry some fairways, that decision seems bogus.

Brandon
6/10/10
 
mmontisano says:
"say hello to your mother for me."
6/10/10
 
Kickntrue says:
@bplewis24- she was voted on by the people on GolfDigest.com. It wasn't "bogus." All voters had the choice of 3 people and she won the vote.
6/10/10
 
SingleDigits says:
If you're playing in a PGA Tour competition, you keep hitting the ball until you hole-out or withdraw, no double-bogeys for those guys.

I'm guessing if you can't carry a hazard you can take a pitch wedge and chip your ball around the hazard. Reminds me of the guy who took a 66 on the 17th island green at TPC Sawgrass. Eventually had to take out his putter and putt the ball down the path and around to walkway to the back side of the green.

www.pgatour.com/story/9316487/
6/10/10
 
birdieXris says:
I really wanna do that contest. I'd love to play the tips on a us open course.
6/10/10
 
bplewis24 says:
@kickntrue, I realize that. Again, I predicted they would choose her.

My point isn't that the selection process was bogus, but that their rationale was bogus. If she couldn't carry the fairways from the tips, why choose her?

Brandon
6/10/10
 
G.Renner says:
I find it VERY hard to believe that they can't find one amateur out there to break 100. I wish they would put someone with a legitimate chance out there next year.
6/10/10
 
ElGalloGigante says:
My biggest bone to pick with the contest, and I apologize ahead of time to those of you that fit the description, is that the last two contest winners are in their 50's. Seriously? I know golf and tennis are lifetime games, but lets see some youth (relative or actual).
6/10/10
 
bducharm says:
@ElGalloGigante - I just turned 51 my friend - I don't know you from Adam but I take umbrance with your comment. Young or old does not matter in this game. I still drive it pretty darn well and definitely far enough to handle Pebble. I am just now getting to play the best golf of my life. I have won my club championship 3 of the past 4 years and also won the Senior club championship last year. There are plenty of 20 and 30 and 40 somethings at our club that WISH they could play golf to my ability. I understand you apologized but it rankled me just a wee bit.

And it does not surprise me one bit that she shot 119. I contend you would see LPGA players shoot in the high 80's on the US Open setup from 7100 yards.

If you can not carry a hazard or complete a hole in a competition, you will be disqualified. The "double bogey" comes into play with ESC - equitable stroke control. You must still finish the hole and ESC changes your score for handicap purposes.
6/10/10
 
Kickntrue says:
@G.Renner- it's a contest for an amateur to play the US Open course and try to break 100. It's not a contest to find a person to break 100. BIG difference. I have 10 friends who I'm sure could do it- but that's just finding a good golfer to go play a course- it's not a sweepstakes that anyone can enter for a chance to have this opportunity.
6/10/10
 
ElGalloGigante says:
@bducharm - Haha, I'm sure you're more than capable of meeting the challenge. Although I just turned 29 today and still consider myself young, I'm more than aware of that talent a 50+ year old can possess. Like my father, I've competed in various sports at top amateur levels and even enjoyed a brief "professional athlete" career, and Pops can still hang with me in a couple of them 'til this day, at 52.

I guess my real problem with the contest winners is the state they're in. The current is already at a disadvantage because she's a woman (sexist or not, physiology is physiology) and last years winner was a year shy of 60, and looked it. This isn't the Golf Digest Champions Tour US Open Challenge, is it?
6/10/10
 
bducharm says:
@ElGalloGigante - thanks for the nice answer - I hoped you wouldn't take what I said wrong - Happy Birthday mi amigo!!! I see you are in San Antonio - I am in Austin!!!
6/10/10
 
georgelohr says:
She's a 4.6 handicapper? And she only carries the ball 200 yards? What kind of slope/rating of course and what kind of scores do you have to put up to get that handicap? That handicap sounds fishy.
6/10/10
 
georgelohr says:
...I should have said "smells fishy"...
6/10/10
 
Neo says:
I am surprised they picked not only a woman, but an older woman, and neither of those two things matter except for the fact that she averages only 200 yards. OF COURSE she can't break 100 from the tips of a championship course! I think the 'contest' is bogus.
6/10/10
 
georgelohr says:
Her scoring average should be near 80...so she averaged 2 strokes per hole HIGHER than her handicap. She must play on courses that have little to no adverse terrain/weather/OB/hazzards/ect....or have been VERY intimidated.
6/10/10
 
Shankapotamus says:
What a waste of a great contest. Not only is she a woman, she is 51 years old! (No offense bducharm)

She started triple, quad, double, quad. 13 over after four holes.

She doubled a 109 yard hole and got a snowman on a 330 yard par 4 so the length of the course is not an excuse.
6/10/10
 
scottccherry says:
Those greens are lightning fast though. I have never, in my life, seen an older woman, who can only drive the ball 200 yards, be able to spin the ball and control it on soft greens, nevermind the US open greens, which are pretty much glass. I would bet a lot of her score came from the fact that she couldn't control the greens, and i would also bet that she had at least 40 putts. Probably more.
6/11/10
 
jimthompsonmd says:
Every properly-designed hole (including TPC 17 where someone putted all the way around...) has a drop zone on par 3s which is much closer to the green than the tee is for abnormally long carries. There may not be drop zones from the back tees; the assumption being back tees are for competent players. A player too incompetent to play from the drop zone (or the back tees) would not be able to post an actual score; for handicapping purposes there is an upper limit for a given hole which is set according to the base handicap. This prevents a single-hole score of, say 15, artificially elevating the overall handicap.
6/11/10
 
jimthompsonmd says:
Peggy Ference's woefully bad score relative to her official handicap index of 5 reflects two things: First, her men's handicap would be closer to 12 were she to hit off regular tees. The enormous advantage of hitting off the "front" (formerly "women's") tees is reflected in that difference. Second, almost everyone who has a handicap doesn't actually play against absolutely strict rules, no matter what they say or think. Her real handicap index is probably closer to 15, reflecting what would be a round in the high 80s at best, even on an ordinary decent course. She would have no chance at all of breaking 100 on a US Open course. I suspect the editors of Golf Digest let their desire to have a woman be represented color their decision-making. There is a reason there is a women's tour...
6/11/10
 
ElGalloGigante says:
@ bducharm - Glad we got everything squared up! Thanks for the birthday wishes. Yeah, I'm in San Antonio, so maybe we can hook up for a round in your city and mine in the near future. Let me know.
6/11/10
 
EloraBlue says:
All I can say is I hope she had fun and isn't listening to all the abuse....also I'd be thrilled with a 119 from the tips at Pebble on a US Open setup :)
6/11/10
 
TheBrownCrayon says:
@ ElGallo I'm always down to play in San Antonio if you need company.
6/11/10
 
Banker85 says:
I agree with the census. Bad choice readers. Our guy would have done it. the main thing is that she is old and can barely hit her drives 200 yds. she had no chance.
6/11/10
 
oobscott2 says:
i bet the slope rating for a woman from those tees would be 90/155
look at the scorecard at a normal course. if the slope rating for men at a particular tee is 72/130, it might be 76/140 for women. i read in golf digest that us open course usually have a slope rating for men at like 80/150, so just imagine what it would be for a woman
6/11/10
 
oobscott2 says:
heres an example: www.oobgolf.com/courses/scorecard.php?id=1171
look at the 2 slope ratings given for the whites tees. its 5-6 shots higher for women
6/11/10
 
ElGalloGigante says:
@TheBrownCrayon - Let me know whats up and we'll see if we can get together for a round soon. I'm playing this afternoon if you're free.
6/11/10
 
GolfSmith7 says:
I've played on a course that was 7100 yards and it was not easy and I average 271 on my drives. If all she had was 200 yards carry she's toast... I'd love the chance distance wouldn't be a problem G.I.R would be
6/12/10
 
Mattlite says:
What a great contest. I was lucky enough to make the top 13 and fly out to Orlando to meet all the great people at Golf Digest and the amazing contests, including Peggy. To be honest, there were probably only 3 people out of the 13 that had any chance of breaking 100 at Pebble, but it was a good representation average golfers across the country. The one thing that really impressed me about Peggy in Orlando was her ability to play her game in front of the cameras and under pressure, I can't wait to watch the broadcast next Sunday.

And a BIG thanks to everyone here at OOB that supported me in my run at it, too bad I came up short, I think I would have represented well.
6/13/10
 
Werepuppie says:
I am a little confused here.When you say that she has a 200 yard carry,I assume you mean she can hit the ball 200 yds in the air.If this is the case she probably hits her drives 230-250 with roll.On the other hand,if you mean that she hits the ball 200yds total,then she certainly should not have been there.
6/19/10
 
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