Should Tiger Be a Captain's Pick?
By mustang6560 on 8/17/10
If you were Corey Pavin, would you use a captain's pick on the No.1 golfer in the world?

Seriously, don't think about who that No.1 player is. Assuming he is eligible, would you select the world's best player even if he finished outside of the top eight? If you answered yes, then Tiger Woods should be asked to join the U.S. Ryder Cup team in Wales this fall.

Tiger did not receive an automatic bid for the Ryder Cup because he finished outside the top eight. Now his fate rests in the hands of Pavin, the U.S. Captain. At a news conference on Monday, he had this to say about Tiger.
Pavin would only say that Woods is "high on my list" and will be a "big consideration" when he announces his selections Sept. 7.

"I'm looking at him in essence like any other player. He isn't ... but he is," Pavin said. "I'm certainly not going to disrespect other players by considering him different from other players. I have to look at the way he's playing, the way he played, and I have to look at his body of work as well. If anyone can turn it around quickly, it's him."
I asked the question in this particular way because so many people are not looking at the whole Ryder Cup selection process objectively. In my opinion, the No.1 player in the world should be a shoe in to make the Ryder Cup, especially Tiger Woods.

In case you missed it, ahead of the PGA Championship last week, Jim Gray broke the news that Pavin essentially said Tiger was a no-brainer to make the team. Pavin denied the reports saying Gray misunderstood the conversation the two had. I am not partial to Jim Gray or Corey Pavin, but following their pre-teen he said-she said cat fight last week regarding Tiger's selection, why wouldn't I believe Pavin said he was going to select Tiger Woods?

Maybe Pavin doesn't want to admit it to the world yet because he's trying to draw attention to the Ryder Cup. However, we all know Tiger will be in Wales come October.


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homermania says:
Nope.
8/17/10
 
greendevil says:
I'd definitely pick Tiger. I'd only have one caveat though: keep the driver at home. His driver is what gets him into trouble. He plays (and scores) so much better when hitting 3w. He still hits his 3w as long or longer than some PGA pros hit their driver so it's not like he going to be giving up that much distance.

Tiger is ultra-competitive and we'll see him shine come Ryder Cup time.
8/17/10
 
trikai says:
I agree. Tiger Woods is a no-brainer. He might be struggling off the tee but in the PGA he showed major improvement and he can still take and make shots that nobody else on the course can. In match play he is still Tiger Woods and still the world's number #1 golfer. There is still intimidation. No matter his opponent.
8/17/10
 
Matt Otskey says:
I want one good reason from all the people who say no as to why he shouldn't be a captain's pick.

Because I haven't found one yet.
8/17/10
 
Zepo1a says:
I say No. Why? because his head's not in the game yet after his problems. Because He just finished like what...28th at the PGA C?

Has he won or even come close to winning anything since last November? He may have, I can't recall.
8/17/10
 
Kurt the Knife says:
Pavin is faced with a real decision or a marketing decision.
We'll wee what kind of character displays.
8/17/10
 
Kurt the Knife says:
sry.
"character he displays"
8/17/10
 
homermania says:
I agree with Zep. It's a no because his mental game back yet. Also, doesn't he have a losing record in Ryder Cup matches? He's still the best golfer in the world, but not this year. The captain's picks should be reserved for players that are hot at the moment.
8/17/10
 
mustang6560 says:
@Zepo1a- Tiger has two top 5 finishes (4th at Masters and US Open). I think he has shown even as "distracted" as he is, he can still be competitive. I know I would benefit from having Tiger on my team because of the Tiger-factor he brings. Just knowing he could click at any moment again provides a competitive edge for team USA.
8/17/10
 
brianshaffer32 says:
okay, so if not Tiger, then who??? AK who just came off of an injury and is playing bad golf right now. Nick Watney, yea because he proved on Sunday that he is clutch under pressure. Rickie Fowler? oh wait he hasn't ever won anything. And don't get me started on Bo Van Pelt, I mean his name is Bo. There is no way that you can pick any of these guys over Tiger.
8/17/10
 
mjaber says:
I would pick Tiger, but I would use him like a rookie/young gun/average player pick. Play him sparingly, and only pair him during the best ball/foursomes with Steve Stricker. You can't not pick him. Regardless of how well, or poorly, he has played, he is still the #1 golfer in the world. His record in the Ryder Cup is not great, but the Woods/Stricker pairing at the President's Cup last year was almost unbeatable.
8/17/10
 
Matt Otskey says:
@Zepo1a

As far as I'm concerned, T-28 at a Major Championship is noting to sneeze at.

And as Mustang6560 pointed out, he was 4th at the Masters and US Open. That's not too shabby.

And finally, from what I see in Tiger's body language and his language, he is more determined than ever to play on the Ryder Cup and play excellently. I think that he, for the first time ever in his life, finally feels like he has something to prove. He wants to make sure everyone knows he is still great.

That is why he is a no-brainer in my mind.
8/17/10
 
dottomm says:
Pick Tiger. Steve Stricker needs him.
8/17/10
 
jrbizzle says:
Tiger has to be there, unless he personally declines the invite. The Ryder Cup is supposed to be U.S.A.'s best against Europe's Best. There is no way anyone can cut it up that Tiger is not one of America's best 12 players - it just doesn't work. he's #1 in the world, the best golfer of his generation, and in the Top 12 on points. Sure, he's struggling with his game, but it's not like he isn't working to get better, and it's not like the guy hasn't proven to do amazing things when motivated. If he sturggles, so be it, but he's gotta wear the RW&B at Celtic Manor.
8/17/10
 
Matt Otskey says:
@homermania and Zepo1a

also something to add... Yes, Tiger has a losing record at the Ryder Cup. Guess what Phil's record is... 10-14-6 ... Should he be left off the team too?
8/17/10
 
Dixon Golf says:
The best possible outcome is that Pavin invites Tiger, and Tiger sites his recent poor play and the need to get his personal life in order as the reasons he declines.

To answer the question in specific, Tiger should be invited. The Ryder Cup is not run like the MLB All-Star Game, in that bit players who are having good seasons get a spot on the team, with all teams being representing. Nepotism still rains supreme in golf, and Tiger definitely deserves the benefit of the doubt. If anyone in golf can turn it around quickly, it's Tiger. At least that's his track record.
8/17/10
 
mmontisano says:
@brianshaffer32 why not Bo Van Pelt? he's playing great and the dude can putt. besides, Boo Weekley was on the last Ryder Cup team and that's a much more worse than Bo.
8/17/10
 
Banker85 says:
ya Bo has been consistenly in the top ten week in week out. In all seriousness TIGER MUST BE PICKED. If pavin doesnt that is all they will talk about the whole week before, of, and after ryder cup. If they lose they will say they needed Tiger. Plus he is in the top 12 if you want to use that as a reason why. @DixonGolf: Tiger already said he would defintely play if Pavin asked him too.
8/17/10
 
Bryan K says:
Yes. I'd pick Tiger. Even if his game is slightly suspect at the moment, he's the best clutch player in the history of the game. I think I'd even pick him over the eight players who made it legitimately.
8/17/10
 
jbird2011 says:
Bryan shaefer summed up! Who else are you going to pick? Why not pick the #1 golfer instead of someone who hasn't proven themselves or who is hot this season. It's the same reason why team bring in veterans....experience! Half the people who say no to this are still bitter about his personal life.
8/17/10
 
jev says:
I say: yes, pick Tiger. The matches he will be loosing are a nice starting point for us, Europeans :D.

Without kidding, I think there are no real alternatives and from a marketing pov it's a no-brainer.
8/17/10
 
homermania says:
I change my mind. Put him on.
8/17/10
 
cjgiant says:
If I recall the number one ranking is pretty heavily weighted on past performance (it encompasses 2 years of results, I think). If I have this right, being the #1 golfer in the world should not confer an automatic bid.

Tiger does sub-par at the Ryder Cup. I also have heard he's not exactly a huge fan of the event. His recent play is suspect. These are all reasons to maybe not invite him. I think enough to discount a "no-brainer" answer.

He is experienced (in Ryder Cup). He is historically clutch (in individual events at the very least). He is better than the next guy you could choose. These are all valid reasons for his inclusion.

Balancing it all, I think he should probably be invited, even if I wouldn't mind if he wasn't.
8/17/10
 
Matt Otskey says:
@Cjgiant

In past years, Tiger has been indifferent towards the event. That is well documented. But this year, he actually WANTS to play. His answers in the press conferences were "I'm going to play my way onto the team" not, "If Corey wants to pick me, then I'll play." His mindset is awesome, and he is determined to play well. Remember a time when we all believed that Tiger could will his way to victory, or will a putt to drop in the hole? That hasn't been destroyed, he just needs to find it again.

And as I pointed out before, Phil and Tiger have virtually the same winning percentage at the Ryder Cup in their careers. So that really isn't a valid reason.


He is a no-brainer for certain.
8/17/10
 
BigDoctorJ says:
I'm gonna have to agree with kurt the knife. Woods will be there because if you want ANYBODY in America to watch the stupid Ryder cup you will need Tiger in it. Honestly, these last couple of tournaments he was in, I only watched them because he was there and we all wanted to see how his game is coming along. Face facts, the guy brings spectators and golf is all about $$$
8/18/10
 
mjaber says:
I think a better question is, "Will Tiger be in the Fedex Cup playoffs?" He sits at 108 right now, with the top 125 getting into the first leg next week. He is one of only 3 between 100 and 125 that are not entered, and I'm sure a lot of guys just outside 125 are in it as well. What would the PGA Tour do if Tiger failed to make it into even the first leg of their "playoff" system?
8/18/10
 
dooboo says:
No for captain's pick...he is playing like a normal human being. Until he gets back to his old trait of you know what...he should just relax at home.

However, from the TV Network standpoint, he will be a pick. TV network will force Corey to pick him...it will help with the ratings here in the states. Also, who he will show up for Ryder Cup dinner...his mom?

So much to talk about for the media for him not getting picked. Whether Corey likes it or not, he will get strong armed into picking Tiger...or Tigger.
8/18/10
 
cjgiant says:
@Matt Otskey
I agree Tiger wants to play well enough to be on the team. Regarding the quote you use: he didn't play himself onto the team; he couldn't will himself to win at this point. Also, maybe that comment was a way to motivate himself in his own game-making the team would mean he would have done well in the PGA, and doesn't reflect a desire to be on the team.

Also he previously made comments regarding the Ryder Cup along the lines of not deserving to be on the team, "not the way I'm playing now". Of course, when he said it, it was after a bad stretch, and the comments were likely more akin to Daly's "I'm done" comments (frustration).

These are all interpretations and I do not claim for a second they are fact. I agree about Mickelson and would make the same arguments against him; unfortunately he played his way onto the team this year, so it's moot.

All that being said, I hope Tiger does have a desire to be on the team, gets picked, and helps the US to victory.
8/18/10
 
legitimatebeef says:
I hate all Ryder Cup talk all the time. I love golf as much as the next guy but few items in sports are tedious as Pre-Ryder cup hype talk. If you get all hyped up over this event you probably need to get a life.
8/19/10
 
trikai says:
OK. I said before he was a sure in but after hearing Rory basically say he's beatable and almost excited to have the chance to play him, I am starting to wonder if it's almost like extra incentive for the European team. They want to play him. Perhaps it could go either way.
8/20/10
 
Banker85 says:
@trikai: sounds like incentive for Tiger to go out there and smash the euros.
8/20/10
 
trikai says:
@Banker85: I hope he does.
8/20/10
 
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