Come on America, we're better than that!
By mustang6560 on 10/4/12
I've read several reports of fan abuse following the Ryder Cup. The Belfast Telegraph published an article yesterday saying Graeme McDowell's American girlfriend was heckled to the point Ryder Cup "chiefs" are "investigating" the allegations.
Paul Lawrie also spoke about the alleged fan abuse ahead of the Alfred Dunhill Links Championship.
"I didn't get abused, but you get comments like: 'Top it! Shank it! You're going to lose.' Stuff like that on every shot you play," Lawrie said Wednesday. "Every single shot you hit last week, that's what you get. So apparently that's how it is."I have no issue with fans yelling "top it" or "shank it" at Paul. He's a professional golfer and he became a professional golfer because he learned how to not top it or shank it. However, it's crossing the line to yell at a player's significant other. They have no control over the outcome. Plus, they're only there to provide emotional support and improve the overall beauty of the event. And Kristin Stape was successful in adding the attractiveness of the Ryder Cup.
If you were one of the fans who yelled at Graeme's girlfriend, then shame on you. Shame, shame, shame.
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Yikes, enough already. "2 Teams, 1 Cup" aka "Eurotrash vs. the Ugly Americans" is history. IMO it's time to move on, to more important matters. For example, the golf season is coming to a close and some people still haven't broken 80.
I've got two round schedule for the weekend ...
Nathan, I DO have issue with abusive fans. Golf is NOT like other sports. We call penalties on ourselves, we try like heck to beat our opponents, but then shake their hand and say well done. I heard fans yelling when it was completely inappropriate. It's one thing to have Bubba (or Poults) whip the crowd up and hit while they are yelling. It's completely different when people are rude and yell things during an opponents backswing. I guess I shouldn't be surprised - the moral conduct in this country has been sliding for quite a few years.
So which will occur first, the USA winning a Ryder Cup or breaking 80? The pressure is going to mount as the clock slowly advances.
I was at Medinah on Saturday morning/afternoon and didn't hear any of these ugly remarks. Any time you have 40,000 fans in that kind of atmosphere you will get a handful of nasty/ugly drunks who make the rest of us look bad. Trust me, the Euros have the same problem when the Cup moves to the other side of the pond
It is never OK to hurl abuse at any athlete and to condone and encourage it is equally wrong. Golf is a sport and players and fans alike should act in a sporting manner. That means showing your opponents respect and trying to put them off by shouting is neither respectful or sporting.
I went to the Wednesday practice round, and while the Americans joked with the crowd, the Europeans would not look at or acknowledge anyone. They seemed much more serious.
Why does golf have this Hollier than thou attitude. I agree due to the nature of the sport fans should refrain from yelling during a swing....but we must not forget from where golf has come. There are still the biggots, drunks coke heads and cheats and their followers, just like any other sport. I love this sport!
Nojdemo2- I'm neither condoning the abuse nor encouraging it. It's hardly abusive to yell "top it" at a professional golfer, especially at the Ryder Cup where roudy behavior is the norm. That said, I find that much more tolerable than heckling one of the WAGs.
I wish I could say I was surprised, but I'm not. There was a similar issue at a White Sox playoff game a few years ago. The manager at the time, Ozzie Guillen, was as disgusted as most would be. When Ozzie heard about it he was fuming. He wanted the guy brought to the White Sox clubhouse so he could deal with him.
Be a fan, root for your team, or against their opponent, but leave the wives and the other fans alone. They have as much right to cheer for their team as you do.
@mjaber - well put my friend! It's amazing that fans will root more against the other side than for their side!
@C-4 - why does golf have this holier than thou attitude? Because it does, that's why. It is a gentleman's game, to played fairly. To not root against others, but to play your best and hardest. Because of sheer numbers, yes golf even has bad apples! But less than other sports, I guarantee you! Not everyone who believes in the ideals that golf has is a "bigot" (spell it right!), a drunk, a coke head, and a cheat! My apologies to you but your comments really rubbed me the wrong way.
It is abusive to yell disparaging statements in a golfer backswing, be it "top it" or whatever else. Admit it. There is such thing as (spectator) etiquette, in golf. Root for your own as much as you want, but let the other guy(s) be. There aren't too many sports when one applauds an opponent after a good move and says "well done" or give them a high five. Witness Phil's reaction to Justin Rose holing out his 40 footer on the 17th hole on Sunday. That's sportsmanship, not yelling "top it"! You really disappointed me with that comment, Nathan.
It's one thing to cheer for your team, but when your hearing "go in the water" or booing when the opposing team nails an amazing shot it just seems like really poor etiquette to me.
I agree with Frank.
Matt F says:
Have to agree with bducharm, sjduffers, Frank and SpaceMaN. What I saw on Sunday was just plain bad sportsmanship by the fans. If it happens in Europe I will call it exactly the same thing. A good or great shot should be respected, not boo'd because it wasn't your player that hit it.
Some people just piss me off.
I read an article that had more detail of Lawrie's comments on the matter, he also added that he heard from the Americans that they hear pretty much the same stuff when they are over there, So I don't believe he was saying that the Americans were uniquely stupid,just pointing out that it went on. Just the way I interpreted it. Doesn't change the fact that it was stupid way to act and families should always be off limits.
You said in your article that you have no issue with this type of behaviour - that's what condoning it means!
Also, you can't justify it by calling it 'the norm' (British hooliganism was the norm in the 80's) or mentioning something even worse like the abuse of Lawrie's wife.
That's like saying, "Hey, I know I've got a drinking problem, but it's OK cos I've had it for years and at least I'm not a drug addict!"
I'm a fan of a lot of sports and one of the things I love about golf is it is actually 'sporting'. Let's try and not spoil that.
i like the noise & whatnot during the round after exciting things happen, but some people are just stupid & that is just that. there is nothing that normal people can do about stupid people. it really has nothing to do with america. it is just stupid people's parent are well...stupid.
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