Tiger's Temper. Your Thoughts
By Kickntrue on 11/16/09
Oh boy. I can't believe I'm starting this topic, but Tiger throwing his club into the crowd in Australia kind of makes it necessary. This would be on replay all over the USA if it had happened here- and frankly, I'm not sure who would have the power to fine Tiger in a situation like this (the people who paid him $3M to show up?), but at some point he has to be punished for this. Notice I didn't say he should stop? People get hot. I get it. I've thrown a club, but he at least has to be fined. Give the money to charity, please, but this is too much.



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activesense says:
Why was the crowd applauding? If someone threw a club at me they would get it back in at least 2 pieces. He may well be a great golfer, but that is not the kind of example to be setting. Fine him or suspend him or whatever it takes to make him (and others) think about the consequences of their actions. This kind of behaviour is unacceptable in other sports and leads to punitive action, so somebody at Golf HQ needs to man up and address this issue.
11/16/09
 
Kickntrue says:
@activesense- the problem is he wasn't playing in the USA. "Golf HQ" isn't the PGA Tour in this case. How can the PGA Tour fine him for something he didn't do with them in charge? At the same time- how is the Australian Golf body going to fine him after they paid him $3M to show up.
11/16/09
 
Banker85 says:
He is lucky no one got hurt. If that was in the good ol' USA Tiger would have been sued by the time he finished out the hole. He should be fined for his actions no doubt, they need to set guidlines i mean he said it flew out of his hands accidently which i dont buy, he should have 100% control of the club at all times so that is just a cop-out. I love Tiger but control the anger i mean hit the ground or smack your bag, what happened to just breaking the club??? Hes just lucky no one got hurt.
11/16/09
 
Ben Crane says:
That's just passion for the game
11/16/09
 
Swingem says:
I said it before, after the Open Championship, I've got NO tolerance for club throwers! I don't care if its TW or some chump at the local muni. The only thing worse is cheating. I have nothing but respect for TW's skills and achievements, but too often the guys an A-Hole. Its not like he's curing cancer or solving the world's problems, he's playing golf. The commonly accepted standards of etiquette should apply to all, out of respect for the game and your playing partners.
11/16/09
 
CodeSlinger says:
Personally, I don't have a problem with it. It's even a bit refreshing to see that the best players in the world get just as frustrated by their performance as I do with mine.

@activesense: The crowd was applauding because they got what they wanted: something entertaining. Some people watch Nascar for the wrecks, other people watch Tiger to see him blow up. Like it or not, the danger of a meltdown is part of Tiger's appeal, and it's part of why Australia paid him $3mil to show up.

And just what exactly are "the consequences of [his] actions" that you want him to think about? I can't think of any unless he actually injures someone.


Bah. If your real goal is to stop it, make a rule: "If you throw a club in anger or frustration it's a 2 stroke penalty." That will end it permanently, I guarantee. But if it's not a big enough problem to justify making a rule, then it's not really that big a problem... Then it just brings in ratings, which brings in $.
11/16/09
 
Backquak says:
He is lucky noone got hurt, its funny that he can stop his swing for a ladybug but then claim this was an accident. I'm sure he didn't mean for the club to fly into the crowd, but you know he was tossing it somewhere. Frustration is part of the game, he's got to tame that terrible temper. I know he gets frustrated with the cameras and such but wasn't he leading by a couple shots, so why is he always worrying about the bad shots? he probably made some fantastic birdie save from wherever that shot ended up. We love Tiger, but hate his temper,
11/16/09
 
Banker85 says:
ya the govt made over 20 mil return on their 3 mil investment. way to go AUSSIES! the stroke penalty is probably the best way to get atleast Tiger to stop.
11/16/09
 
Typhoon says:
Hey active They can not suspend tiger because he is too important to golf. Tiger is singlehandly responsible for making golf what it is today. because so many people love him and so many people love to see him get beat. either way they come to see him. Now with this being a gentlemens sport you should act as such. so a 2 stroke penalty should be issued for unsportmanlike conduct. that way you mess with that first place money in comparison to the 5th place money. trust me he will chill out then.
11/16/09
 
Backquak says:
A 2 stroke penalty sounds like an excellent idea.
11/16/09
 
Backquak says:
unsportsmanlike conduct has penalties in other sports, so lets bring the gentleman's game up to speed.
11/16/09
 
Wes11point5 says:
He represents the PGA everywhere he goes, but I doubt that the PGA will have the stones to do anything!
11/16/09
 
Kurt the Knife says:
Jeez,
He threw his club down and it BOUNCED into the crowd.
He didn't "throw it into" anyone.
No big deal.... Until it hits ME.

as we say down unda.. well, I'll let Choppa Reid say it best. www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y
11/16/09
 
Shankapotamus says:
I don't know if this incident was related to crowd noise but I did catch some of the tournament this weekend and saw him get really worked up about camera clicks several times. It was a big problem in China as well.

It got me thinking that he should wear some noise cancelling ear buds or something of that naure. I am not sure what the rules would say about it and it would make it more difficult for him to converse with Stevie but it may be worth it for him to know he can swing in complete silence.

For a guy that is supposed to be the toughest mentally, it seems like crowd noise is his kryptonite. Granted, he has the biggest following by far but others don't seem to be as negatively impacted as Tiger at the smallest of sounds. It has to be going through his head when he swings. The golf swing happens so quickly that it wouldn't bother him in that half a second during his downsing unless he was expecting it.
11/16/09
 
Kickntrue says:
@Wes11point5 - While he may still represent the PGA Tour by association, it is important to remember he is not an employee, just a contractor. Sure- a company can ban a contractor, but do you really want to risk them being even more choosy with their schedule?
11/16/09
 
Bretts my bitch says:
wasn't that the hole where the photographer took a picture during his swing?... either way, he didn't throw it intentionally into the crowd... it bounced there. Glad the Ausie's aren't sue happy A'holes like us Americans.
11/16/09
 
CodeSlinger says:
This wasn't a hole where he complained about crowd noise/cameras. It was one in a series of drives he wasn't happy with on Saturday.

The whole camera noise deal is a completely separate issue... One that he complains about the most loudly, but also one that affects him proportionally much more than the rest of the players, as there's a lot more people following him around.
11/16/09
 
mjaber says:
I think he really needs to tone it down.

For a penalty, I think if the club goes into the crowd, a lucky fan gets a souvenir, just like a foul ball/home run. And no, you cannot replace the club... for the rest of the tournament.
11/16/09
 
blackhawk says:
I like mjaber's idea. You throw the driver into the crowd, you don't get it back. You play the rest of the round without it. That would stop that kind of behavior.
11/16/09
 
golfgirl says:
Things like that never seem to happen a the tournaments I go to. Well, once Cristie Kerr did kick her golf bag which generated a bit of excitement. But I agree with CodeSlinger a bit of passion/emotion/excitement... a bit of feeling... is a good thing. :)
11/16/09
 
lopezebra says:
Fine him! If only Earl was still around, Tiger would never throw a club in front of his father. His temper seems to have grown since his father passed away. In his off season, he should probably do a little anger management.
11/16/09
 
ipv6freely says:
Okay, yes Tiger is a big boy, Tiger gets emotional, Tiger acts like a baby. It's nothing new. But it's not like its a one time blowup. Every time he isn't playing well he acts like a big baby. It's not even an issue with this one action either - it's just that it's becoming so common, it's just "Tiger being Tiger"...

Though, I will say... somebody on another forum mentioned the point forefit for "racquet abuse" in Tennis. I think a simple one or two stroke penalty would suffice for something like this. As far as the mentions of a suspension... I say absolutely not. Unless somebody gets hurt, and then I'm all for it - I don't care who you are!
11/16/09
 
thiggins200 says:
sd
11/16/09
 
thiggins200 says:
Tiger Woods is the greatest Asian golfer of all time, but that doesn't give him the right to act like an petulant child - just because HE didn't hit the ball straight.

Daly was suspended for golfing shirtless and shoeless (at that was not a PGA event either - of cours Daly doesn't look too good without his shirt on).

Woods should be suspended for his actions - someone could have been seriously injured. (Finchem does not have the courage to confront "The Tour God".) It should also be a 3 stroke (minimum) penalty for throwing equipment in anger

NOtice Woods didn't even say, "Thank you" to the pereson who gave him ack is club, or "I'm sorry for my wreckless actions".

Woods will never be a class act until he dvelops some class.
11/16/09
 
kidputter says:
An incident like this just confirms my dislike for him. Act like a man, not a child. It's your job, your livelihood. We ALL have made a mistake at work. Have you ever thrown your work equipment in anger? Were you reprimanded for it? I threw a set of keys on the floor and was fired for it. But it's TIGER and he's above EVERYTHING in golf. Why don't we just let him play every tourney by himself with no cameras or fans. We'll just show his rounds on TV for the masses. Gee, won't that be fun? Can you say Pay Per View?
11/16/09
 
Oak says:
He didn't throw the club out of noise frustration, he threw it out of anger because he shanked the drive badly. Crap, the tourney outlawed cell phones and cameras just for Tiger because of what happened the week before at the HSBC Championship in Shanghai, which coincidently was some of the best golf I've seen all year long, particularly the final round.

Yes, Tiger has been acting quite ridiculous lately. He should have expected it in Shanghai and it was surely funny to watch him throw tantrums and Phil smoke him in the final group. But there's no excuse for it in Melbourne where they treated him like a golden god.
11/17/09
 
Oak says:
I'll bet you my left nut that Nike had something to say to him about that driver toss. They pay him more money than he probably makes from all other sources combined and they don't want their logo imprinted on someone's forehead after their golden child hucks his club in a hissy fit. Of course they'll tred lightly since Tiger is also their golden goose in addition to Lebron.

And yeah, his ass would be in a civil suit if that happened in the states for sure. I know I would have won an Oscar for going down for the count if I was in the gallery anywhere near that toss. Almost like being lucky enough to be rear-ended by a Coke truck.

Maybe if he does keep acting a fool, Jack or Arnie will say something to him. We certainly know that Finchem won't. Heck, maybe Barack will. He does like to chime in when it comes to sports from time to time and he's definitely a figure that Tiger would have to respect. A little frustration is fine but he's starting to become more of a drama queen than LC in The Hills.
11/17/09
 
Oak says:
and thiggins200

"greatest Asian golfer of all time"?......really? and all this time I thought it was KJ Choi ;)

"Woods will never be a class act until he dvelops some class"......Well, I don't know about that bud. I believe there might be thousands of kids in orange county who might just beg to differ with that statement.

www.tigerwoodsfoundation.org/twlc_-_oc.php
11/17/09
 
Matt F says:
@Steel Balls...I love those Chopper Read impersonations!! He did not throw the club into the crowd, he threw it into the ground and it bounced into the crowd. Plus, I don't think they banned phones and cameras. When I watched the final round on Sunday, people were taking photo's of him walking to the next tee with their phones and cameras.

Matt
11/17/09
 
Oak says:
mwfaith1971 says:
"He did not throw the club into the crowd, he threw it into the ground and it bounced into the crowd.".........True, but he did throw it extremely fast towards the ground a few yards in front of the crowd. Not a shocker it ricocheted up towards the people. Still kinda a bush-league move, even for Tiger. I throw my fair share of clubs but if one hit my father I'm sure I'd be walking home regardless whether I meant to hit him or not.

"Plus, I don't think they banned phones and cameras.".....Notice the first source ;) I also heard the commentators discussing the matter. People do like to break the rules though.

www.oobgolf.com/content/fore+play/1-3285-Austral

www.golfblogger.co.uk/post/golf-australia--mobil

wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=929170
11/17/09
 
brad6432 says:
@activesense I would have like to see someone snap the driver in half, and hand it back to him too. He'd have to finish the round short one club, but what would happen to the spectator that snapped the club?
11/17/09
 
Kurt the Knife says:
@brad6432
"what would happen to the spectator that snapped the club?"

civil suit
11/17/09
 
bjbowen4 says:
My son, who's 5, is in the First Tee Program, and also loves Tiger. They are very strict about the rules and anyone caught not following the safety rules is disciplined. The other day at the range he swung and missed and threw a club because he's "seen Tiger Woods do it."

Now I would like to personally thank Tiger for the oppurtunity to teach my son a great lesson. However, Tiger holds himself to a higher standard of performance which is why he's so good. But he needs to be held to a higher standard of behavior as well. Whether he likes it or not, he is a role model and needs to act appropiately.
11/17/09
 
thiggins200 says:
Mr Oak - there are prob. millions of people who think that excellence in sports is all that is needed to excuse abhorhent behavior (Pacman JOnes, Ray Lewis, Allan Iverson, Milton Bradley, Mike Phelps, Floyd Landis, etc) becasue as long as "My athlete is winning, he or she can do anything they want". THAT IS RUBBISH

Mature, responsible behavior is (or should be) expected from everyone - NOT JUST NON-CELEBRITIES.

And I do beleve that Choi is a great Asian golfer (as is Yang, Myazato, Shin, and many others), none have achieved what Woods {1/2 Thai, (-)1/4 "Black" and
(+)1/4 other} has. He is more Asian than anything else, therefore he is Asian.
11/18/09
 
Matt F says:
Oak, I certainly don't agree with what happened, but some mentioned that he threw the club into the crowd...he didn't throw it into the crowd. That was my point.

Also, during the telecast I distinctly heard the volunteers, on a number of occasions, asking the crowd to put down their cameras and cell phones. (Funny they called them cell phones, cause back home they are normally called mobile phones) So, it seems that they encouraged people not to bring those things to the tournament but didn't enforce it.

Matt
11/18/09
 
sepfeiff says:
I really like Tiger, his game is unmatched. As a professional he's got to have more control.

On a side note, I saw Anthony Kim break the greenside microphone with his club after a bad chip shot at the Byron Nelson 09. I lost all respect for him then, and I'm starting to lose respect for Tiger as well.

Anyone who wants to see how to handle a bad golf shot, watch Tom Watson handle several awful shots to finish with a bogey on the 72nd hole of the British Open 09... with a smile
11/18/09
 
Mattbdxl says:
I have seen Tiger way more pissed then that! No harm no foul! Nothing wrong with a little bit of emotion!
11/18/09
 
Swingem says:
And so its OK, as a result of TW's example, that we have a generation of foul mouthed, club throwing prima-donnas to look forward to?

Like it or not TW is a roll model for kids coming into the game. This is not an isolated incident, but a pattern of behavior that indicates a lack of maturity.

Who here has ever had to play a round with a club-thrower? Was the experience enjoyable? Do you believe that TW's behavior negatively impacts the efforts of his playing partners? Is that "no harm-no foul"?
11/18/09
 
Banker85 says:
@kickntrue: JUST LOOK WHAT YOU STARTED!
11/18/09
 
Trav says:
To those who say - no harm no foul - are you also opposed to stopping and arresting obviously drunk drivers who haven't yet caused an accident?
11/18/09
 
Mattbdxl says:
wow!! lol!
11/18/09
 
Duke of Hazards says:
I've seen him slam his driver head (sole) down into the teebox a # of times... in this case he did it but released his grip on the handle, which may have been semi-intentional... in any case, even though it was unlikely to have injured anyone, there should definitely be some punitive measure (no, a monetary fine isn't punitive for an almost billionaire)... so yeah, a couple stroke penalty would definitely do the trick, at least make sure he doesn't let go of the club handle next time.
11/19/09
 
Kevin Duckworth says:
It was reported in the paper in Australia that he was fined.
11/19/09
 
Mjw71772 says:
Hold on a second.....let me defend the worlds #1, granted what he had done was not popular, but have you all considered maybe he was aiming at one of the 8 million people stalking him for a photo while he is swinging? Or maybe he was putting a message out there saying, I will chuck a club at an innocent bystander, so whats gonna stop me from teeing your camera up with a 9 Iron? People must realize that even though he appears to walk on water in some peoples eyes, he is still human like the old saying goes, "the last man who was perfect, got hung from a cross". Maybe Tiger wants to show everyone he is human and not some droid sent to destroy the record books. Besides, I know many Korean (like Tiger)golfers who have done way worse, has anyone made a big deal about that?
11/19/09
 
Swingem says:
WOW! How about just learning to behave with class, and show some respect for the game. LOL!
11/20/09
 
Oak says:
Matt-
I hear ya. After all, what are they gonna do, strip search everybody. I know I would be smuggling my cell in. Although I promise I'd turn the ringer to vibrate. ;)

thiggins200-
C'mon man, the point was in reference to his charitable work through his foundation, not his athletic prowess. You said "Woods will never be a class act until he dvelops some class." Poor spelling aside, that statement is ridiculous at best. He has class and has helped thousands of children, perhaps more, that wouldn't normally be given that sort of opportunity. He has class. He just also has a temper which is also beginning to get a touch overboard. I think he would concur that he would choose not to set that kind of example. After all, the sight of all the kids on the range at the TW Foundation hucking their clubs would be interesting and probably not something he would choose to have happen.
11/20/09
 
Oak says:
also thiggins200-
"Woods {1/2 Thai, (-)1/4 "Black" and (+)1/4 other} has. He is more Asian than anything else, therefore he is Asian."
Tiger Woods is the best golfer of all time(maybe not quite yet). Not the best 1/2 Asian golfer, or the best 1/4 black golfer, or whatever. I thought we were past the point of classifying athletes upon race. I certainly don't classify Jack Nickaulus as the greatest white golfer of all time and if I did I would most likely be labeled a racist. Cultural awareness and pride is natural. I'm sure that Tiger, Anthony Kim, Michelle Wie, and other golfers born and raised in the US are certainly proud of their Asian heritage but probably would consider themselves more American than anything else since that is what this nation is, a melting pot(perhaps not to more than a few crackers mostly in rural areas). Tiger is all American baby. No seriously, he was named 1st team All-American at Stanford in both 1995 and 1996 ;). But honestly, who cares. They're just all great golfers.
11/20/09
 
Oak says:
And actually, if you want to be legitimate, you must uphold your racial claims to the one and only true global ruling, the first and only Racial Draft, held in NYC and braodcasted on the Dave Chappelle show in 2004.
www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId
Fair is fair, the blacks drafted Tiger first. But hey, you got the Wu-Tang Clan. Not a bad pick and also obtaining the coveted Wu-Tang Financial. So while you might not have Tiger, you certainly will have a well diversified bond portfolio, which is nice. I also heard that the Dalai Lama, 12th son of the Lama, has granted you total consciousness of your deathbed, which is also nice. :)
11/20/09
 
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