Course Editing Policy Update
By Kickntrue on 4/29/10
We've decided to make course editing privileges something only oobgolf Addicts can do. From the beginning, oobgolf has been an open wiki-like community when it comes to our course and equipment database. Anyone could add or edit a course anytime they wished. It was absolutely critical to our growth and has helped us build one of, if not the best golf databases on the web.
As we've grown, more and more people are adding and editing courses. We're still collecting good data but the percentage of mistakes and duplicates has gone way up. Because most mistakes happen with free anonymous accounts in most cases we have no way to contact these users about doing edits correctly or fixing the database. In the beginning we could spend a little time each day going through and weeding out the mistakes. Now this job takes Kevin and I about 50-60 hours per week and we still don't get to everything. What that means is when you try to enter a score, some courses may show multiple sets of the same tees, wrong data, and even full duplicates of a course. Long-time oobers may have noticed a bit of a drop off in new features and blog postings over the past few months. That's mainly because we're spending our time keeping the databases manageable.
We feel that the time has come to curb some of the course edits and entries in an effort to improve oobgolf as a whole and to keep our database as good as it can possibly be. Starting today, only oobgolf Addicts will be able to freely edit and add to the course database (equipment edits will stay the same). This is not a money play to get more Addicts, though if that is a slight side effect we're not going to be too upset. :) The facts are- Addicts are more likely to do edits correctly, we know who they are because of a credit card purchase (in the unlikely case of database sabotage), and the percentage of Addicts to the overall community is low, so this change will cut down on the sheer number of edits.
Our database now has over 40,000 courses and over 100,000 tees and after 4 years should require less maintenance. However, we do acknowledge that our database is in no way complete so we will still honor email requests to add data. Those requests MUST include the correct information or direct link to the info. We do not have time to go searching for data that may or may not be correct or even available on the web. You can email course editing/info request to firstname.lastname@example.org.
Comments and thoughts as always are appreciated.
Kevin and Andrew
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This is awesome! I've had to go in and make adjustments multiple times on my usual courses because people would edit the tees to the wrong information. Hopefully this will fix the issue.
I think this is a very sound and reasonable decision, and if it leads to a better quality "service" and more features then it has to be a good thing.
Kurt the Knife says:
I'm assuming that non-addict requests for changes that are sent to the above listed email address will still be honored (if valid). Is that correct?
mjaber- yes. non-addict requests will be honored if the data is provided.
I like it; great idea. Keep up the good work.
Very good idea. I think it will help addict golfers do a better job knowing that it won't change so easily.
Good thinking guys.
Two Thumbs up on this - nice work guys.
Bryan K says:
I have a question regarding this.
There are two holes in the area, on two different courses, where the "official" information is incorrect. I changed the information on the site because people were sending me messages saying things like "great shot on that 215 yard par 3" when the actual distance is only 165. I've talked to the course pros on these two holes, and they both gave me the same answer. "We know it's wrong, but it costs too much to change the placard and scorecard."
In these instances, what kind of information would be needed in order to provide the correct information on the site?
Keep up the good work Kevin and Andrew.
@bjohn13- fair question, tricky situation. Since you're an Addict- I'd tell you to go change it to the correct distances. If a non-Addict emailed with the scorecard and explained the situation- I'd probably change it. Otherwise I'd edit to the scorecard since I'd have no local knowledge.
I want to be clear too- this isn't a case of "only Addicts know what they're doing." That is obviously not the case. This is just for us to know better who is making these changes and to make sure we continue to get better data.
On one hand I agree, on the other when I first got here (via GolfCard App pointing me here) my 2 local courses were not mapped. I was able to map them and begin using my App on the phone. That was a BIG PLUS for me and made me sign up as a user here.
Later, to support you (and chances to win free stuff! :)) made me become an Addict/subscriber. That was the best thing at the time about this site, freely being able to add my local courses. I fear new users will find this a hassle and move on.
How about leaving "Add a Course" free but make editing an Addict/Admin function?
I have a complaint related to this. My home course has three 9 hole courses (East, West, South) each with it's on rating/slope. It also has rating for the three possible 18 hole courses (West/East, East/South, South/West). The three 18 holes courses are in your database but the 9 hole courses are not. I added the 9 hole courses for when I only play 9 holes but later you removed them and changed my scores to the 18 hole course. This hoses up your handicap calculations because the rating on the first nine holes is not the same as for the full 18.
@tennesseeboy- I wouldn't call that complaint related to this move specifically, just overall database management. Still- to answer. 27 hole (and more) courses are still the most difficult to deal with the same way across the board (esp with so many people editing). You can add the 9 hole ratings/slope to each 18 so when you play 9 you just choose front or back 9 and it uses the correct rating/slope instead of just cutting the 18 hole r/s in half. Each 9 should technically be rated/sloped separately.
I assume editing the golf course GPS mappings via GolfCardMgr is still open to all. I've found that hit or miss too. For example, one person mapped the front, middle, back of the green along the green's long axis rather than as if you're hitting from "position A" in the fairway.
p.s. In theory, that's why SkyCaddie is more accurate since they take measurements all around the green. Then the distance to front & back is always based on your relative position to the green.
@Kickntrue - That would be a solution to my problem. I updated the first course in the course dropdown and added front/back nine ratings. When I selected the second course from the drop down and click edit data, the data for the first course came up. It will not let me edit data from the other two courses.
@Dc8ce totally did the same thing with my first and only one this year! And I love this site, hopefully this stops the hacking.
Thank you OOB, good idea.
Ah. Figured it out. All courses updated with front and back 9 ratings. Thanks Kickntrue.
i have edited courses many times and they always seem to revert back which screws up my score to a certain degree. will this fix it.
sounds like you guys could use a hand. i would work for free golf at any course in indiana, and i am quite the database expert when it comes to data entry and manipulation. would you like my resume? Seriously i hate my job...
@Banker85- nice of you to offer. Someday maybe... If we could offload this crap to someone else we would've long ago. :) Whoever started the rumor that websites make a ton of money needs punched... and probably works in porn.
D Hall says:
I understand your reasoning, but I am glad I got to add my score at Milan Country Club just the other day by editing the course prior to your policy change. There are anal non-addict users out there that will do the job right.
@D Hall - I 100% agree. It's just the best way we could come up with. We will absolutely still honor requests!
Smart. You guys are great.
Great move. I got frustrated with the course editing after spending a lot of time fixing a 27 hole course to its respective 18 hole arrangements as it was on the scorecard. only later to find it changed back by a frequent 9 hole player that clearly didn't understand you could just select front 9 of any of the 3 courses to get whichever 9 holes they played.
Thank You Thank You Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bernie Duffer says:
No problem. You will note most of the positive responses are from oobgolf Addicts.
While I'm disappointed that as a non-addict I will no longer be able to add, revise or correct course data. I can certainly take solice in the fact that the uber-oobers, who have a vested interest in accurate data, will be at the controls. Less hands in the cookie jar is a good thing. Well done guys... keep up the good work!
no reason really not to be an addict. only $12 bucks. i'm not rich by any means, but i wipe my butt with $12. anyway that's good. less dealing with that enables more new functions.
Is there an Iphone app?
I'm fine with that, but I can't edit my home club courses even though ratings and slopes have changed. Want the new info for Stonebriar CC in Frisco, Texas? Here you go:
Club Course - Men: Blue 75.1/140, White 73.4/137, Green 71.3/131, Red 68.7/126
Women: Green 78.8/153, Red 77.0/146
Fazio Course - Men: Blue 73.8/137, White 71.6/136, Green 67.6/119, Red 66.1/116
Women: White 79.1/139, Green 75.0/137, Red 72.1/129
I agree with Zepo1a
"How about leaving "Add a Course" free but make editing an Addict/Admin function?"
Surely this makes more sense. You could even add 'not verified' until verified by an addict.
sounds good, because non-addicts can still give/add data via email. thanks.
One question. I have updated my local 27 hole course with the Golf Card online app, and the changes are not getting updated in Oobgolf. The problem is that the holes are not numbered correctly. I have remapped the course twice now, and no change in my iPhone app. I understand that from the Golf Card app, I am a random person, and not a Addict member. How can I update and add the correct tee and green mapping for this course, or all 3 sets of 18, so Oob will accept the changes?
To add to this, I am a current Addict member.
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